Download: RSS | Email Alerts | Podcasts | Mobile

Students, shooting victim debate guns on campus


Last Update: 2/17/2011 11:03 pm
Set Text Size SmallSet Text Size MediumSet Text Size LargeSet Text Size X-Large
Print Story | Share
College campuses are communities within communities where lawbreaking is usually limited to overtime parking, underage drinking, and the occasional theft or assault.

But far too often, a madman has turned a seat of learning into a killing ground. 

It happened at the University of Texas in 1966, recently at Northern Illinois and the worst in country history, Virginia Tech.

"It was a normal 9 a.m. French class,” Colin Goddard, a victim of the Virginia Tech massacre, said. “We heard loud banging noises come up from outside our door, we didn't even know what it was. Then it got much louder and much closer. Once the bullets started coming through our door, every student hit the floor. The situation was so crazy, the most stressful in my whole life. I didn't really understand what was going on till I was hit the first time above my leg. At that point, I realized someone's trying to kill me." 

Goddard was one of the 49 victims in the Virginia Tech massacre. He left that morning French class with three bullet wounds.

Four years later, on the steps of the Texas capitol Thursday, Goddard spoke for the 32 victims who lost their lives that horrific day.         

In an already controversial legislative session, lawmakers in both the House and Senate have proposed bills to allow loaded guns on Texas campuses if the owner has a concealed handgun license.

"People need to be able to protect themselves no matter where they are and this bill allows that," Republican state representative John Frullo said. 

The need for protection does not come suddenly.

The last three years have seen fatal shootings at Northern Illinois Univeristy, Virginia Tech and an incident at the University of Texas last September that ended with the shooter only killing himself.  

Seven other state legislatures are considering similar bills..

However, Goddard said while he understands the worry, he disagrees with placing guns in students' hands because it could cause dangerous crossfire. 

"So many people have told me if they were with me that day in that class, they would have saved the lives of students around me,” Goddard said. “That almost offends me. They tell me, so sure in their minds, how they would have reacted in the most stressful situation of their lives. It's absurd."

With the fear of the Virginia Tech massacre and the University of Texas shooting last fall, Texas Tech students said guns have no place in their backpacks. 

"You give someone a privilege or a little leeway, they'll take it too far,” Marlon Williams, a former Texas Tech football player, said. “Just looking at things in the past where guns on campus were not a good turnout."

“It’s a little bit scary just because I think a lot could go wrong,” Riley Tillman said.         

Goddard said others measures can be taken to ensure safety on campuses that do not include the possibility of crossfire.

"Perhaps a lock on the door, perhaps a notification system,” Goddard explained. “There are many other ways to prevent tragedies like this before giving guns to kids to shoot bad kids."          

The Texas legislation is set to fire its decision on the proposed bills later this spring.

Print Story | Share

10 Comment(s)
Comments: Show | Hide

Here are the most recent story comments.View All

SomeOthername - 3/1/2011 4:05 PM
1 Vote
"Goddard spoke for the 32 victims who lost their lives that horrific day" I personally find that offensive, since more students who survided that massacre support the right of self defense on campus than the one, Colin, who is paid by the Brady Campaign. Colin can NOT speak for those whom he took no postmortem poll asking whether they;d rather have been able to be armed and live ... because they weren't allowed to be. However, it's true that more survivors want the right to be armed than want to take everyone else's right away because they are paid to try to do so.

SomeOthername - 3/1/2011 4:01 PM
0 Votes
Courtney is right Those anti-gun fearmongers group responsible adults in a group with mass murderers, that's why Chiang had problems being wrongly accused after V.T. just looking at things in the past where guns on campus were not a good turnout." We aren't mass murderers 71 U.S. college campuses currently allow licensed concealed carry throughout their campuses (even Tech allows it on the grounds). Not one of these schools has seen any licensed carry-related incidents. So historically it's good for good guys to have guns, and bad for bad guys to. There actually have been armed bad guys stopped by armed good guys, some on campuses, some at churches, etc etc etc .... Looks like someone needs to draw a Venn diagram for the anti-gun guys.

SomeOthername - 3/1/2011 2:39 PM
1 Vote
Next time, for fair and balanced reporting, interview Virginia Tech survivors who aren't Paid" to promote a cause. try Wayne Chiang and Ken Stanton you can find them on the Facebook page for Virginia Tech Students for Concealed Campus Carry ... no one pays them to tell the truth, whereas Colin ... nuff said.

SomeOthername - 3/1/2011 2:36 PM
0 Votes
""Perhaps a lock on the door” Goddard explained." Goddard forgets that Cho brought locks and chains and locked the doors so students couldn't escape. Locks work both ways. Goddard forgets that the locks got shot out of the doors. When there's a fire, a phone is good, a fire extinguisher is great. When you need to defend your life, a phone and text alerts are nice, then you know when it's your turn...having a proper defense tool is worth more than an alert when a shooter is 2 desks away from yours headed your way. Text alerts of the armed assaults and arm,ed robberies on other campuses always occur "later" Police always arrive "later"

SomeOthername - 3/1/2011 2:30 PM
0 Votes
Of note is that more Virginia Tech students at the time of the massacre support campus carry than the one who is a paid employee of the Brady Campaign Google Wayne Chiang and Ken Stanton who are very active in Students for Concealed Cary on Campus. Many who lost friends at Virginia Tech are members too. Mr. Chiang was perhaps one of the biggest victims of anti-gun bigotry that stemmed from the Virginia Tech massacre. On the day of the shooting, an anonymous individual placed a notice on Craigslist claiming that Mr. Chiang, a Virginia CCW permit holder with a hobby of shooting and collecting guns, is a threat to public safety and the next Virginia Tech shooter and posted a picture of him smiling while carrying 14 Mosin-Nagant rifles on his back. Subsequently, his home was raided by the police, and his computer was confiscated. It was only returned months later. His facebook wall was plastered with inflammatory and life-threatening comments, along with accusations that he was the Virginia Tech shooter. He had to go through great lengths to clear his name despite the fact that the real shooter was identified as Cho. Wayne Chiang was a victim of exactly what Colin Goddard is propagating: A blanket mindset that grouping together law-abiding, responsible, harmless adult licensed carry holders, as if they belong to the same group as criminals and mass murderers.

SomeOthername - 3/1/2011 2:15 PM
0 Votes
Goddard says :"hey tell me, so sure in their minds, how they would have reacted in the most stressful situation of their lives" While I have a little respect for anyone having gone through these type situations, Colin has only gone through one, where I've been through two armed hostage situations, laying on the floor praying. In Austin at a yogurt shop 4 girls were taken to the back store room and put on the floor and executed one by one. In both my situations we were put on the floor and I complied like Colin and the girls did. If the executions start, I'm getting up though. Colin laid around for ten minutes while he was on the phone, got shot, dropped the phone, heard Cho reload, a girl picked up his phone, Cho shot others in the room, Cho left the room fired in another room, Cho came back in Colin's room, Colin thought "if I can't see him, he can't see me" (Ostriches do that) and played possum while Cho reloaded and shot him again so Colin eventually got shot 4 times over a ten minute period. I can say with no uncertainty that if I was there armed, I'd get up when it was my turn or I'd fire up at Cho from the floor so no one on the floor caught crossfire, but even if a student was on the ceiling it would be better than allowing a nut to continue executing even more.

SomeOthername - 3/1/2011 2:04 PM
0 Votes
"where lawbreaking is usually limited to overtime parking, underage drinking, and the occasional theft or assault Don't forget armed assaults, such as the one at U of H last week, armed kidnappings, as occurred on U of H last week. Armed robberies in Bathrooms on campus, such as the one at U of H last week, and the one at San Antonio Campus last week. However the ones across the street from campus where you may have parked are not included in the "on campus" Cleary reports, so you should add those too ,,, What about the vehicular burglaries which are increasing on all campuses? Making licensees who are armed all day every day store their gun in a car is just making access to criminals easier when you are in class and they burglarize cars. Why are car burglaries increasing on campuses? Well, at Walmart, Church, Malls, Parks, government buildings, stores, restaurants, liquor stores, grocery stores etc etc etc .... you carry your gun with you secured in a concealed secured holster, but at campus parking lots, there's a better "potential crop" since more cars there have stored guns. Goddards arguments are so full of holes I could strain spaghetti with them.

troglodyte - 2/28/2011 10:17 PM
1 Vote
"Perhaps a lock on the door, perhaps a notification system,” Goddard explained. “There are many other ways to prevent tragedies like this before giving guns to kids to shoot bad kids." Nobody is "giving guns" to "kids". You must be 21 (an "adult" if I remember correctly) and take and pass a CHL course. I agree with redraiderblake, biased story. Come on 34. You're better than that. I also noticed the image on the video lead-in. Notice it says the "unlicensed possession". It is perfectly legal for CHLs to carry on Tech's and any other school grounds. Hasn't seemed to cause any problems.

Courtney - 2/22/2011 4:40 PM
3 Votes
He disagrees with placing guns in students' hands because it could cause dangerous crossfire? Seriously? What rational person would tell a victim that they shouldn't shoot back when attacked because they could cause "dangerous crossfire"? Marlon Williams thinks that "just looking at things in the past where guns on campus were not a good turnout." He doesn't seem to be aware that 71 U.S. college campuses currently allow licensed concealed carry throughout their campuses (even Tech allows it on the grounds). Not one of these schools has seen any licensed carry-related incidents: no accidents, no threats, no suicides. Nothing. There's no reason the school should be preventing law-abiding citizens who already have their CHLs (which means they're at least 21, among other things) to carry at school just as they'd carry at restaurants, churches, malls, movie theaters, office buildings, etc.

redraiderblake - 2/22/2011 3:23 PM
2 Votes
What a completely biased story. The reporter obviously failed to check her facts. According to a student body poll at Texas Tech this January, 72% of students said they agree with licensed concealed carry on campus, while 61% of students said that allowing licensed campus carry would make them feel safer.
Local News Video
Local News
  This site is hosted and managed by Inergize Digital.